MARVELOUS DA7E 78: The Fates of Cap, Thor and Spidey

– by L-R


IF THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME HERE: Welcome! This is my weekly column where I talk about superhero movie news, rumors and speculation. 

THIS WEEK: I've learned my lesson not to get excited on Twitter about things I'm in the process of reporting. But, I have the information I promised, because I promised.

January 11th was too early. And I had to sit on my hands through Golden Globe coverage which I know you guys don't care about, but the world does and I didn't want them to squelch my superhero movie news. And the worst part is the people that DO notice you hinting about stuff are NOT the people you WANT to notice you hinting about stuff. 

If you know what I mean.

The future of superhero movies is something that's constantly in flux. Take, for instance this column you're about to read: it was originally about Batman V. Superman being split into two movies. Then, I learned some more stuff that was more interesting than that hoax, so I switched topics. Then, new things happened and might have started changing the end-game. That's vague, but I'm going to be as authoritative as I can without writing anything into stone as everything I'm going to discuss here is currently in the works.

No, I can't attribute any of this to a person, company or leak. Nor am I going to fight with you about if I'm "making it up." You'll read the narrative, you decide. 

It looks like Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice is going to remain one movie for now (but feel free to check out my comic book podcast, The Thought Bubble, at, so my Eye of Sauron has been drawn back to the thing I really care about: Spider-Man.

You might have seen referenced a supposed "leaked" series of e-mails outlining a Spider-Man Summit where Sony and Marvel agree to share Spider-Man and put him in Civil War so they can lead into "Amazing Vs. Spider-Man" which would feature Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire. 

This, of course, is all fabricated. Garfield will not be part of any future Spider-Man deal and I'm CERTAIN Tobey Maguire is allowed to have thoughts of his own that allow him to turn down coming back to Spider-Man. I have no doubt he would. He is old.

However, those of you that have been around this column and Latino-Review for awhile know that occasionally we can correct a misconception with some stuff we've heard, so… let’s paint a picture of Marvel’s most profitable properties in Phase 3.

Spoilers throughout.


Really, I’m going to just straight up spoil what I'm pretty sure happens at the end of two Phase 3 movies.

I’m not joking. If you’re going to get mad at me later, stop now, this column is on the internet, it’ll be accessible forever.

Avengers: Age of Ultron introduces a new group of Avengers lead by Captain America. Still think Hulk’s gonna be in space.

Captain America: Civil War exposes that Bucky killed Howard Stark, Iron Man and Captain America fight, Tony Stark is discouraged (I’m vague on how he ends up at the moment), Black Panther is introduced, Crossbones kills Steve Rogers at the end of the film, giving us a nice big cliffhanger from Marvel Studios’ two most profitable characters (Iron Man and Captain America). Since I’m so vague on what happens to Iron Man, but I’m pretty sure he can’t be flitting in and out of other Phase 3 movies without reducing the impact of his future return, let’s just say he’ll also be in space.

“In space” is going to be my character placeholder, as it’s obviously Marvel’s - OOOOOH! BURN!

Doctor Strange hits and I really think Marvel will avoid polluting this movie with too much crossover as they have to introduce the Astral Plane. But I do think Doctor Strange is on the short list for who will lead the New Avengers in Cap’s absence.

Thor: Ragnarok will kill a lot of Asgardians, resurrect some of them, and Thor will end up in some sort of prison (described to me as a “galactic prison,” but I don’t know if that means not in Asgard or what).

Cap’s dead, Thor’s gone, there are still Avengers, we take a break from the Earth’s problems for Guardians of the Galaxy 2, then return for Black Panther. It’s interesting that we’re going to need a new leader for The Avengers and the Black Panther is going to be introduced in a movie where The Winter Soldier’s dirty laundry will be aired. I’m not saying I know anything about this movie, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it includes more Avengers than the title suggests. They mystic nature of the Black Panther also allows Strange to pop up here if they want. But a New Avengers is being formed (not THE New Avengers from the comics, just SOME New Avengers).

Which brings us to May 4th, 2018 - Avengers: Infinity Wars Part 1. Here's what I understand: Steve Rogers is not in this movie. He is dead. Thor is not in this movie, he is imprisoned. Spider-Man IS in this movie, the Sony deal went through.

I don’t have the exact details nor a paper trail, but I’m told we’ll see an MCU Spider-Man in Infinity Wars Part 1, as that was the next logical place to insert him after they missed the window to logically include him in Civil War.

It’s sounding like Infinity War Part 1 will be the first true test of our New Avengers team (line-up still pending, but here are the potentials: Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Ant-Man, Wasp, Captain Marvel, Luke Cage, Daredevil, Iron Fist, Jewel/Power Woman, ANY of the New Inhumans, ANY of the classic Inhumans, ANY of the Guardians of the Galaxy and ANY Cosmic Marvel characters Guardians chooses to send to Earth...oh, and Spider-Man). However, Infinity Wars Part 1 won’t include any of our classic Phase 1 and 2 Avengers because…

...they’ll all return in Infinity Wars Part 2.

Yup, even freaking dead Steve Rogers it looks like.   

This all seems like super-smart storytelling (letting characters go out on top, then bringing them back years later), and it’s made even more ingenious by the Spider-Man insurance policy. If people aren’t hooking into a Black Panther, Bucky Cap or Strange-lead team: HEY! Here’s history’s most profitable comic book character.

Now I’ve gotta spend my nights trying to figure out if Sony’s announced November 11th, 2016 Spider-Man movie is going to be a co-production or simply scrapped. Here’s hoping for co-production.


Rumors swirl around Fantastic Four and none of them are good rumors (Mayimbe shout-out!).

In the spirit of clarifying superhero movie news this week, I can report we'll see our first look at Fantastic Four attached to Kingsman: The Secret Service Valentine's day weekend. 

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