– by Joseph Jammer Medina

Disclaimer: This post contains spoilers for Star Wars: The Last Jedi.

Fans have come out of Star Wars: The Last Jedi with a lot of questions. However, one question they may NOT have gone away with is “is Kylo Ren redeemable?” Sure, in Star Wars: The Force Awakens, it was a question we were all wondering. Unlike Darth Vader, he was a man who was conflicted by his predisposition to the Light Side of the Force.

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However, in The Last Jedi, they spent the majority of the film trying to address that question, and when all said and done, Kylo killed Snoke and took his place as Supreme Leader of the First Order. Despite the twists and turns along the way, he seemed to settle nicely into the role of Dark Force user.

But even after all this, is he still redeemable? Speaking with IGN, director Rian Johnson answers that question in a surprising way, saying:

“Are you kidding? Vader was worse than Kylo ever was, I think, and Vader got redeemed. Also, I should just for the record [say] that I’m not involved in the writing of the next movie. I’m an audience member in it, just like you, so when I talk about what’s going to happen next it’s in the context of, as a fan, what I’m thinking of.”

What do you think of Johnson’s comments? After all Kylo Ren has done, is he redeemable? He does certainly have an interesting point here. We may look back and see Vader as redeemable, but that could be in large part due to the fact that we didn’t see his worse atrocities until decades after we knew he was redeemed. Had we seen Anakin kill all those younglings in 1972, before A New Hope hit theaters, we may have been singing to a different tone.

Let us know your personal thoughts down below!

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  • Moby85

    I don’t want him to be. The cliched way to do things is the bring him back into the light. But no, I think he should have settled on darkness…Become more dark…And have to be slayed like a monster.

    • Kindofabigdeal

      But this new direction would have us believe that a raw untrained talent is more powerful than a trained talent.

  • TheFrank

    As they say in politics, “if you’re explaining then you’re losing.”

    TLJ is a stinker. All of the fanbois screaming out that “You don’t understand! This [choose a moment in the film] was the only possible direction that he could go in because [fill in reason here]!” isn’t going to change that. All of Rian screaming out that “You don’t understand! This [choose a moment in the film] was the only
    possible direction that I could go in because [fill in reason here]!”
    isn’t going to change that.

    Rian misjudged the market, plain and simple. He knew that he should’ve handled the OT characters with kid’s gloves and didn’t. He knew that he would need to build upon what JJ had established and didn’t.

    Kathy has to decide if she still wants Rian to direct another 3 films or not. The smart money is “No” but given that Disney handed Rian the reins to begin with… Who knows? End result is that they’ve damaged the brand with this one film alone (although you could argue the same case with Ep 7 to a degree) and continue to damage the brand by taking it from an “event franchise” to one that pumps out at least one movie per year, a la “the Marvel method.”

    TLJ is currently underperforming TFA by over $80m domestically so far. While outperforming TLJ remains a slim possibility, now Disney has to look at how it’ll be as a ‘typical sequel.’ Attack of the Clones dropped 30% domestic against Phantom Menace (dollar-for-dollar, not including inflation) so that’s the baseline for TLJ: Can it do better than $655m domestic? Right now with less than a week after release… Probably. But if it doesn’t…? That’s an awfully hard pill for Disney to swallow, knowing that they couldn’t get a better bump than Lucasfilm & the Prequels.

    • Kindofabigdeal


    • Rad4Cap

      “Rian misjudged the market”

      Given what even Kevin Smith (who loved the film) calls the many “FU’s” in it, I do not believe Rian was trying to “judge” what the market wanted.

  • Kronx

    Kylo’s just not a very good villain. At no point have we ever feared him. We’ve seen him bested physically and mentally, which means in IX we probably won’t fear him either.

    As far as redemption goes, you don’t get to kill Han Solo and get redeemed. And speaking of Han, what did he do that was so horrible that Kylo craps all over his name when he hears it?

    • Kindofabigdeal

      He made him take his mask off during dinner time.

  • Rad4Cap

    ““Are you kidding? Vader was worse than Kylo ever was, I think, and Vader got redeemed”

    This is more of the NOT caring about what has come before or what happens IN this movie. Vader was redeemed because there was conflict in him. The entire POINT of Rian’s OWN episode was to settle the conflict within himself. And, as Snoke explicitly stated, where before there was conflict in Kylo, it is now gone.

  • TheOct8pus

    I want to know why he wears his pants up so high past his waist….

  • FeixPunk

    I didn’t want him to be redeemed. I always thought a real shocker would be rey going dark and Kylo coming light our that he is irredeemable. I want more original stuff like TLJ and the EU not the safety of TFA

  • ShoNuf®

    Who is really left if not for Kylo? Hux and the legion of Stormtroopers? Where are the Sith? I hope JJ and company get the Knights of Ren in on the action. Like the bounty hunters in Empire…they are sent out to hunt down Rey and destroy the Jedi once and for all. Kylo leads them. But, on this journey he sees how far the Knights have gone to the dark side. He sees their utter disregard for life and destroy anything in their way. He chooses Rey and saves her from their onslaught…to his downfall. That’s all I can see for a worthy redemption. Expected? Yes…but sometimes necessary.

Joseph Jammer Medina is an author, podcaster, and editor-in-chief of LRM. A graduate of Chapman University's Dodge College of Film and Television, Jammer's always had a craving for stories. From movies, television, and web content to books, anime, and manga, he's always been something of a story junkie.