Batman Vs The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Can Shredder and Ra’s al Ghul Work Together?

Bringing together heroes from two separate universes is usually not very easy, but as we saw in an earlier piece, bringing together Batman and The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in the now released animated film Batman Vs. The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles from Warner Bros. Animation and Nickelodeon had the help of having a large library of styles to pull from as well as similar characteristics and values. We all know that for the most part heroes may have some differences but overall play well together. But what about the villains? Can they co-exist long enough to follow through on their plan? Are any of them willing to give in to the other for the greater good of their plan?

This might seem like an almost impossible task for the two main antagonists of the Batman Vs. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles animated film Shredder, leader of the Foot Clan, voiced by Andrew Kishino and Ra’s al Ghul, leader of the League of Assassins, voiced by Cas Anvar. With so many subjects looking up to them, is it even possible for them to form a working partnership? The following comments by the voice actors and screenwriter during round table interviews LRMOnline participated in at Wondercon last March, make it seem like any partnership between the two would just be a ticking time bomb.

Of course each of them would be lobbying for their own character. First Kishino said that, “Shredder has an inherent ability to look down on anyone. So he is always looking at everyone like ‘what is it exactly that you could do for me and when is it exactly the point where I am going to tier of you and have to dispose of you?'(…)He has that sense of evil that sense of disconnect comes from that fractured damaged vanity and ego where that is very dangerous to be around because it puts someone in that kind of psychopath realm where they’ll do insane things, really horrible things to get what they want done. Then when you put them in a body where he is capable physically to do the things that he can do, you have a really bad individual.”

Anvar also shared his thoughts about Ra’s al Ghul saying that, “Your talking to a man that has been alive for centuries, this man does not suffer fools. Shredder can get things done in his own way, but Ra’s doesn’t like to play well with others, he likes to be in charge and he likes the people to be at least mentally stable. I don’t know if Ra’s would view Shredder as particularly competent and dependable.”

Kishino also commented on his thoughts between the leadership styles between the two villains. “Shedder is very personally driven, he is prone to keep people in line through fear and intimidation and people just fall in line because that is who he is. They both have the same level of ruthlessness but their demeanors are real different because Ra’s al Ghul is generally a very calm individual before he throws you to the piranhas. Shredder is the person who is practically spitting through his mask before he sends you to the piranhas. So the results are kind of the same, but how they handle it, Shredder is always you know three cups of coffee over the limit.”

So how do you put these two together in a believable situation without undermining the other, especially with such clashing styles? Screenwriter for the film Marly Halpern Graser talked about overcoming this challenge. “We didn’t want to throw Shredder under the bus. Ra’s al Ghul is such an intense sort of all consuming villain that if you put him in a team up it’s hard not to make it seem like he is the real leader. It’s hard to have a team up with Ra’s al Ghul and have it seem like a team up of equals and it was very important to us to have Shredder’s back and be like ‘no shredder is really really cool,’ Shredder is the leader of the Foot Clan and are on the same tier as Rah’s and the League of Assassins.”

“I actually took a lot of inspiration from the Shredder/Krang dynamics in the 80’s cartoon because part of what I liked about that was how much Shedder and Krang sort of hated each other and were always sniping back and fourth and really did not like being teamed up and so I kind of obviously took a lot for Shredder and Ra’s just made it not comedic. I had two serious tough guys sniping at each other and hating that they had to be teamed up and taking every opportunity to undercut each other, it’s a very unstable alliance that would have probably not lasted one more day if the heroes hadn’t broken it up,” continued Graser.

By the sounds of the comments above, I am now interested in seeing a Shredder/Ra’s al Ghul face off. So how does the Shredder/Ra’s al Ghul partnership turn out? You’ll have to check out Batman Vs. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles available now on digital, Blu-ray and 4K UHD.

Who would you take in a Foot Clan vs The League of Assassins face off? Let us know in the comment section below!

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